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Anthony Accioly
6d ago
Not really 🤣. I think that YOU have a strong case to make it obsolete. Again, I respect your "dark patterns/totalitarianism" position, but it's not mine at all. All tools, including public follow lists, can be used for good or for evil. I think that public following, despite its downsides, is a fundamental way to drive discoverability in decentralised social media. I want to fix follow lists, not get rid of them.
That said, I will defend everyone's right to use encrypted kind 30000 sets, special relays, algorithms, and any number of other tools, including those I'm not particularly keen on (I have my own views on bad incentives). I'm also more than happy to discuss and explain my views to others, as long as they don't try to impose theirs by force (e.g., "let's deprecate follow lists by force now" or "let's impose algorithms," etc.).
To be even more candid: I actually like the fact that everything on Nostr is supposed to be a signed attestation. This includes making your follow list public (as you are doing right now by following the projects and devs working with you). Benefiting someone or some project with social media visibility through Nostr network effects should be intentional. Not following anyone publicly is also an intentional attestation of your beliefs. It has its pros and cons, as I pointed out in my first reply.
I don’t need to agree with you to interact or even collaborate on things we both believe in. Heck, there are plenty of points where I strongly disagree with fiatjaf and utxo, yet here I am contributing code to Haven, Khatru, etc. I may change my mind about some things, they may change theirs about other things, or none of us may change our minds at all, and that's absolutely fine. In my books: being opinionated is good; public discussions are good, cult-like assimilation and closed-doors decision imposed top down are bad.
That said, I will defend everyone's right to use encrypted kind 30000 sets, special relays, algorithms, and any number of other tools, including those I'm not particularly keen on (I have my own views on bad incentives). I'm also more than happy to discuss and explain my views to others, as long as they don't try to impose theirs by force (e.g., "let's deprecate follow lists by force now" or "let's impose algorithms," etc.).
To be even more candid: I actually like the fact that everything on Nostr is supposed to be a signed attestation. This includes making your follow list public (as you are doing right now by following the projects and devs working with you). Benefiting someone or some project with social media visibility through Nostr network effects should be intentional. Not following anyone publicly is also an intentional attestation of your beliefs. It has its pros and cons, as I pointed out in my first reply.
I don’t need to agree with you to interact or even collaborate on things we both believe in. Heck, there are plenty of points where I strongly disagree with fiatjaf and utxo, yet here I am contributing code to Haven, Khatru, etc. I may change my mind about some things, they may change theirs about other things, or none of us may change our minds at all, and that's absolutely fine. In my books: being opinionated is good; public discussions are good, cult-like assimilation and closed-doors decision imposed top down are bad.
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